Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
Welcome to the N21Online.com forum!

The n21online.com is back up and running after an absence of two years. The majority of old conversations have been deleted but there is plenty going on in our local area to talk about.

Some new conversations have been started, please join in, or start a new conversation on something that interests you.

It is easy, but it you are stuck please email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. for guidance on posting.
  • Page:
  • 1
  • 2

TOPIC: SALMONS BROOK FLOOD ALLEVIATION PROJECT

Re: SALMONS BROOK FLOOD ALLEVIATION PROJECT 7 years 1 month ago #88

  • helen0
  • helen0's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 22
  • Karma: 0
This paragraph, written by a local resident sums up the thinking of many local residents, both at the Highlands School meeting and in emails to the various interested parties.

"What we get is the EA trotting out all the old lies, invented data and anecdotal justification for a £15m project that cannot be justified particularly at a time when there are many parts of the country now (and regularly in the past) suffering terrible floods. The central and only documented fact about the flood risk that this project is supposed to alleviate is that MONTAGUE ROAD HAS ONLY EVER FLOODED ONCE, IN OCT 2000. The torrential rains of 2007 and April to June this year have left Montague Road in puddles!"
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: SALMONS BROOK FLOOD ALLEVIATION PROJECT 7 years 1 month ago #89

  • helen0
  • helen0's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 22
  • Karma: 0
David Burowes and the Grange Ward Councillors have issued a statement regarding to the proposed Salmons Brook Flood Alleviation project, which you can read here

n21online.com/campaigns/salmons-brook-campaigns.html

[url=http://http://n21online.com/campaigns/salmons-brook-campaigns.html][/url]
Last Edit: 7 years 1 month ago by helen0.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: SALMONS BROOK FLOOD ALLEVIATION PROJECT 7 years 3 weeks ago #91

  • helen0
  • helen0's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 22
  • Karma: 0
To the Enfield Council Planning Committee


In winding up the recent Planning Panel Meeting, Councillor Delman as Chair of the panel suggested to the Environment Agency that in view of the strong opposition to its proposals they should consider preparing alternative proposals, costing them all and establishing the impact /benefit of each in order to convince the public that the proposal they have come up with is the best value scheme and most effective scheme.

This seems a very sensible suggestion which, if taken up, may offer the opportunity of a fresh start and for a truly transparent and inclusive examination of all Salmon’s Brook’s problems and of the possible alleviations. I think it could also help to re-establish trust, which has taken a real battering over recent months so that it is now virtually non-existent. The EA may not be able to please everyone but I think it should at least be amenable to suggestions from the Council’s Planning Panel.

Also, whilst the Planning Panel meeting was overwhelmingly about the environs of upstream Salmon’s Brook, I am sure that no one at the meeting wants to deny the residents of Montague Road appropriate protection from a flood risk. As part of attempting a fresh start, I think it could be very beneficial to have a meeting which was set up to encourage everyone affected to participate together. I for one would be very happy to attend such a meeting and I cannot think of any reason why anyone would want to oppose it.

I know that it’s up to the EA how it reacts to Councillor Delman’s suggestion but I contend that it has much to commend it, with very little downside. I hope that you will do all you can to encourage the EA to take up his suggestion. I have already written to the EA on this subject and, as you can see, have copied it in on this.


Graham Findlay, on behalf of the Salmons Brook Flood Alleviation Scheme Group, Grange Park
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: SALMONS BROOK FLOOD ALLEVIATION PROJECT 7 years 1 week ago #93

  • helen0
  • helen0's Avatar
  • OFFLINE
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 22
  • Karma: 0
Email to local resident Stephen Lord from the Environment Agency Project Team August 7th

Dear Mr Lord,
Please find below our responses to the questions raised in your email of the 18th July.

The Salmons Brook Flood Alleviation Scheme (FAS) is designed to reduce the risk of flooding from fluvial sources to 1400 properties in the Edmonton Area. The risk of flooding occurring in this area is currently as low as 5% (1 in 20) chance in any year. The Salmons Brook FAS will increase the standard of protection to the 1400 properties including 700 up to a 1.33% (1 in 75) standard.

During the development of the scheme, over 20 combinations of defences were considered. The current scheme offers the best value for money for the number of properties protected.

The risk of damage to properties arising from our works is very low. To allay the concerns of residents, condition surveys are planned to be carried out before and after the proposed works. Such condition surveys of residential properties are our standard practice. Ground-borne vibration caused by the activities of heavy construction plant can become perceptible in dwellings. People often express concern that vibrations they feel will cause structural damage to their dwelling. However, it has been shown that vibrations that can be felt indoors and which often cause occupants anxiety are an order of magnitude smaller than would be needed to activate pre-existing strains and cause cracks to propagate. It should be borne in mind that superficial cracks in plaster around openings such as doors and windows can often appear during the life of a building. The budget of £15million includes allowances for risk items such as remedial repairs.

The total cost of maintaining all the various elements of the scheme has been calculated at £28.5k per annum. Main elements will be small power/phone for Enfield Golf Course and Montagu Recreation Ground flood storage areas (telemetry), regular inspections, regular grass cutting, occasional clearing of debris as required, twice-yearly visits by a Reservoir Panel Engineer and 10 yearly Reservoir Inspections by a Panel Engineer.

During the recent heavy rainfall some areas of Western Enfield did experience flooding to gardens and open spaces as well as some local surface water drainage issues.

We have a responsibility to manage the flood risk to properties (buildings) from rivers and no properties were affected from rivers during this time. Our flood mapping shows that nearly all properties in the Western Enfield area are outside of the 1% (1in100) chance of river flooding in any year boundary and as such we are unlikely to be able to justify any works to increase this standard of protection based on DEFRA (Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs) guidelines.

We have made Thames Water aware of the known surface water drainage issues and they have already addressed some of the problems associated with surcharging manhole covers at one property. We are also planning to meet with Thames Water and the local council to discuss these matters.

Given the opposition by residents in both correspondence and at the planning panel meeting, we have reviewed our traffic routes and have discussed alternatives with Enfield Council which avoid the schools along Bincote Road. We are now preparing further information on an alternative route before further consultation with residents can start. Details of site traffic controls are also being developed for the new routes.

All vehicles belonging to the contractor and their employees will be parked within the site boundary and not on local roads.
The proposed flood storage area on Enfield Golf Course has been carefully designed to ensure it does not in itself increase flood risk to other buildings, in accordance with planning requirements and the Reservoirs Act 1975. Our responsibility to manage flood risk also prevents us from developing or constructing any schemes which unacceptably increase flood risk to people and properties (buildings rather than gardens or open spaces) regardless of the potential benefit elsewhere. Our proposals will not increase flood risk to any individual homes.

With permission from Stephen Lord
The administrator has disabled public write access.
  • Page:
  • 1
  • 2
Time to create page: 0.092 seconds